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The Turning of Heaven莊子 外篇 天運

Zhuangzi (The Book of Master Zhuang) 莊子 · Zhuang Zhou and later hands · Warring States period (4th–3rd century BC) · Guo Xiang's thirty-three-chapter recension · 44 passages · 2,724 Chinese characters · reading time 10.9 min

Zhuangzi (The Book of Master Zhuang) Outer Chapters "In the dark sea of the north there is a fish, and its name is Kun" — the book opens with this one line, and with a bird whose back is so wide that no one knows how many thousand li it measures setting out for the southern sea. He dreams he is a butterfly and wakes to ask whether he dreamed the butterfly or the butterfly is dreaming him; a butcher cuts up oxen for nineteen years without ever whetting his blade; when his wife dies he drums on a tub and sings. He stops a war with the tale of two kingdoms fighting on the horns of a snail until tens of thousands of dead lay fallen, and passing the grave of Huizi he says that he has no one left to talk with. Set beside the Daodejing, it can be heard speaking of the same ground in a very different voice.

1Does heaven turn, does earth stay still

「天其運乎?地其處乎?日月其爭於所乎?孰主張是?孰維綱是?孰居无事推而行是?意者其有機緘而不得已邪?意者其運轉而不能自止邪?雲者為雨乎?雨者為雲乎?孰隆施是?孰居无事淫樂而勸是?風起北方,一西一東,有上彷徨。孰噓吸是?孰居无事而披拂是?敢問何故?」

"Does heaven turn? Does earth stay still? Do the sun and the moon contend for a place? Who masters this? Who binds it into a net? Who sits with nothing to do and pushes it along?

Is it that there is a spring and a seal in it and it cannot be otherwise? Is it that it turns and rolls and cannot stop itself?

Do the clouds make the rain? Does the rain make the clouds? Who sends it down? Who sits with nothing to do, taking his pleasure, and urges it on?

The wind rises in the north, now west and now east, and wanders above. Who breathes it out and in? Who sits with nothing to do and fans it? I dare to ask the reason."

2The answer of Wuxian Shao

巫咸祒曰:「來,吾語女。天有六極五常,帝王順之則治,逆之則凶。九洛之事,治成德備,監照下土,天下戴之,此謂上皇。」

Wuxian Shao said, "Come, and I will tell you. Heaven has six ultimates and five constants. When emperors and kings follow them there is order, and when they go against them there is ill fortune. In the affairs of the nine tracts of the Luo, order is accomplished and virtue is complete, and they look down and light the earth below, and the world holds them up. This is called the Supreme August One (上皇)."

3Tigers and wolves are benevolent

商大宰蕩問仁於莊子。莊子曰:「虎狼,仁也。」

Dang, the grand steward of Shang, asked Zhuangzi about benevolence. Zhuangzi said, "Tigers and wolves are benevolent."

4What do you mean by that

曰:「何謂也?」

He said, "What do you mean by that?"

5Father and son are close to each other

莊子曰:「父子相親,何為不仁?」

Zhuangzi said, "Father and son are close to each other. How is that not benevolent?"

6I ask about the utmost benevolence

曰:「請問至仁。」

He said, "I ask about the utmost benevolence."

7The utmost benevolence has no closeness in it

莊子曰:「至仁無親。」

Zhuangzi said, "The utmost benevolence has no closeness in it."

8Without closeness there is no filial devotion, is there

大宰曰:「蕩聞之,無親則不愛,不愛則不孝。謂至仁不孝,可乎?」

The grand steward said, "I have heard that without closeness there is no love, and without love there is no filial devotion. Is it right to say that the utmost benevolence is not filial?"

9It is hard to make the world forget me altogether

莊子曰:「不然,夫至仁尚矣,孝固不足以言之。此非過孝之言也,不及孝之言也。夫南行者至於郢,北面而不見冥山,是何也?則去之遠也。故曰:以敬孝易,以愛孝難;以愛孝易,以忘親難;忘親易,使親忘我難;使親忘我易,兼忘天下難;兼忘天下易,使天下兼忘我難。夫德遺堯舜而不為也,利澤施於萬世,天下莫知也,豈直大息而言仁孝乎哉!夫孝悌仁義,忠信貞廉,此皆自勉以役其德者也,不足多也。故曰,至貴,國爵并焉;至富,國財并焉;至願,名譽并焉。是以道不渝。」

Zhuangzi said, "It is not so. The utmost benevolence is high, and filial devotion is truly not enough to speak of it. This is not talk that goes beyond filial devotion. It is talk that falls short of it.

A man going south comes to Ying, and looking north he does not see Mount Ming. How is this? It is because he has come so far away.

So it is said. To be filial with respect is easy, to be filial with love is hard. To be filial with love is easy, to forget one's parents is hard. To forget one's parents is easy, to make one's parents forget me is hard. To make one's parents forget me is easy, to forget the whole world is hard. To forget the whole world is easy, to make the world forget me altogether is hard.

Virtue casts off Yao and Shun and does not act. Its bounty reaches ten thousand ages and the world does not know it. Why should a man only sigh deeply and talk of benevolence and filial devotion?

Filial devotion and brotherly respect, benevolence and rightness, loyalty and good faith, uprightness and honesty, are all things a man forces on himself to put his own virtue to work. They are not enough to be prized.

So it is said. The utmost honor takes in the ranks of the state as well. The utmost riches take in the goods of the state as well. The utmost wish takes in name and praise as well. This is why the Way does not alter."

10Beimen Cheng asks about the music of Xianchi

北門成問於黃帝曰:「帝張咸池之樂於洞庭之野,吾始聞之懼,復聞之怠,卒聞之而惑;蕩蕩默默,乃不自得。」

Beimen Cheng asked the Yellow Emperor, "My lord set out the music of Xianchi in the wilds of Dongting. When I first heard it I was afraid. When I heard it again I grew slack. When I heard it at the last I was bewildered. Vast and wide, silent and still, I could not hold myself together."

11At first you were afraid

帝曰:「汝殆其然哉!吾奏之以人,徵之以天,行之以禮義,建之以大清。夫至樂者,先應之以人事,順之以天理,行之以五德,應之以自然,然後調理四時,太和萬物。四時迭起,萬物循生;一盛一衰,文武倫經;一清一濁,陰陽調和,流光其聲;蟄蟲始作,吾驚之以雷霆;其卒无尾,其始无首;一死一生,一僨一起;所常无窮,而一不可待。汝故懼也。

The emperor said, "You were likely to be so. I played it with what is of people and looked to it with what is of heaven. I carried it out with rites and rightness and set it up with the great clarity.

The utmost music first answers to the affairs of people and follows the order of heaven, moves by the five virtues and answers to what is so of itself, and only then does it bring the four seasons into measure and make the ten thousand things greatly harmonious.

The four seasons rise in turn and the ten thousand things are born in their order. Now flourishing, now fading, the civil and the martial pass through in their course. Now clear, now muddy, the yin and the yang blend in measure, and the sound of it flows out like light.

When the creatures that sleep through the winter first stir, I startle them with thunder. Its end has no tail and its beginning has no head. Now dying, now living. Now falling, now rising. What is constant in it has no end, and not one thing in it can be waited for. This is why you were afraid.

12Then you grew slack

吾又奏之以陰陽之和,燭之以日月之明;其聲能短能長,能柔能剛;變化齊一,不主故常;在谷滿谷,在阬滿阬;塗卻守神,以物為量。其聲揮綽,其名高明。是故鬼神守其幽,日月星辰行其紀。吾止之於有窮,流之於无止。予欲慮之而不能知也,望之而不能見也,逐之而不能及也;儻然立於四虛之道,倚於槁梧而吟。目知窮乎所欲見,力屈乎所欲逐,吾既不及已夫!形充空虛,乃至委蛇。汝委蛇,故怠。

Then I played it with the blending of the yin and the yang and lit it with the brightness of the sun and the moon. Its sound could be short and could be long, could be soft and could be hard. Its changing was of one measure and it held to no old constancy. In a valley it filled the valley. In a pit it filled the pit. It stopped the chinks and kept the spirit, and took things as its measure. Its sound was broad and unhurried and its name was high and bright.

Because of this the spirits kept to their darkness, and the sun and the moon and the stars moved along their courses. I brought it to a halt where there is an end and let it flow where there is no stopping.

You wished to think it out and could not know it, to look for it and could not see it, to chase it and could not catch it. You stood dazed on a road empty on four sides, leaning on a withered paulownia and humming. Your eyes gave out at what you wished to see and your strength bent at what you wished to chase. I myself had already failed to reach it. Your body filled up with emptiness, and so you came to wind along with it. You wound along with it, and so you grew slack.

13At the last you were bewildered

吾又奏之以无怠之聲,調之以自然之命,故若混逐叢生,林樂而无形;布揮而不曳,幽昏而无聲。動於无方,居於窈冥;或謂之死,或謂之生;或謂之實,或謂之榮;行流散徙,不主常聲。世疑之,稽於聖人。聖也者,達於情而遂於命也。天機不張而五官皆備。此之謂天樂,无言而心說。故有焱氏為之頌曰:『聽之不聞其聲,視之不見其形,充滿天地,苞裹六極。』汝欲聽之而无接焉,而故惑也。

Then I played it with a sound that does not grow slack and tuned it to the fate of what is so of itself. So it was like things mingling and following and growing in thickets, like the music of a forest with no shape to it, spreading and shaking without being dragged, dark and dim without a sound.

It moved where there is no direction and stayed where it is deep and dark. Some called it dead and some called it alive. Some called it fruit and some called it flower. It flowed and scattered and shifted about, and held to no constant sound.

The world doubted it and asked the sage about it. To be a sage is to reach what things truly are and to follow fate. The spring of heaven is not drawn, and yet the five senses are all complete. This is called the joy of heaven, and without words the heart delights in it.

So Youyan shi praised it, saying, 'Listen for it and you do not hear its sound. Look for it and you do not see its shape. It fills heaven and earth and wraps the six ultimates.'

You wished to listen for it and there was nowhere to meet it, and so you were bewildered.

14Bewildered you are foolish, and being foolish you are in the Way

樂也者,始於懼,懼故祟;吾又次之以怠,怠故遁;卒之於惑,惑故愚;愚故道,道可載而與之俱也。」

Music begins in fear, and fear brings a haunting. Then I followed it with slackness, and slackness brings flight. At the last it came to bewilderment, and bewilderment brings foolishness. Foolishness is the Way, and the Way can be carried and can go along with you."

15Yan Yuan asks Shi Jin

孔子西遊於衞,顏淵問師金曰:「以夫子之行為奚如?」

When Confucius was traveling west in Wei, Yan Yuan asked Shi Jin, "What do you make of what our master is doing?"

16A pity, your master will come to a hard pass

師金曰:「惜乎!而夫子其窮哉!」

Shi Jin said, "What a pity. Your master will come to hardship."

17Why is that

顏淵曰:「何也?」

Yan Yuan said, "Why is that?"

18Straw dogs already laid out

師金曰:「夫芻狗之未陳也,盛以篋衍,巾以文繡,尸祝齊戒以將之。及其已陳也,行者踐其首脊,蘇者取而爨之而已;將復取而盛以篋衍,巾以文繡,遊居寢臥其下,彼不得夢,必且數眯焉。今而夫子,亦取先王已陳芻狗,聚弟子游居寢臥其下。故伐樹於宋,削迹於衞,窮於商周,是非其夢邪?圍於陳蔡之間,七日不火食,死生相與鄰,是非其眯邪?

Shi Jin said, "Before the straw dogs are laid out they are put in a hamper and covered with embroidered cloth, and the invoker fasts and purifies himself to carry them forward. Once they have been laid out, passersby tread on their heads and their backs, and the gatherers of firewood take them and burn them, and that is all.

If a man were to take them up again and put them in a hamper and cover them with embroidered cloth, and then roam and dwell and lie down to sleep beneath them, he would get no dreams but would surely be pressed by nightmares again and again.

Now your master too has taken up the straw dogs the former kings laid out long ago, and he gathers his disciples to roam and dwell and lie down to sleep beneath them. That is why a tree was felled over him in Song, why his tracks were wiped out in Wei, why he came to a hard pass in Shang and in Zhou. Are these not his dreams? He was surrounded between Chen and Cai, and for seven days he ate nothing cooked by fire, and death and life were neighbors to each other. Is this not his nightmare?

19Like pushing a boat over dry land

夫水行莫如用舟,而陸行莫如用車。以舟之可行於水也而求推之於陸,則沒世不行尋常。古今非水陸與?周魯非舟車與?今蘄行周於魯,是猶推舟於陸也,勞而无功,身必有殃。彼未知夫无方之傳,應物而不窮者也。

For going by water there is nothing like a boat, and for going by land there is nothing like a cart. If, because a boat can go on water, a man tries to push it over dry land, he will not go a few feet in a whole lifetime.

Are the past and the present not water and land? Are Zhou and Lu not boat and cart? To want the ways of Zhou carried out in Lu now is like pushing a boat over dry land. It is toil without merit, and harm is sure to come to the body. Such a man does not know the handing on that has no fixed direction, which answers to things and never comes to an end.

20The well sweep is what a man pulls

且子獨不見夫桔槔者乎?引之則俯,舍之則仰。彼,人之所引,非引人也。故俯仰而不得罪於人。故夫三皇五帝之禮義法度,不矜於同而矜於治。故譬三皇五帝之禮義法度,其猶柤梨橘柚邪!其味相反而皆可於口。

And have you alone never seen a well sweep? Pull it and it bows down. Let it go and it lifts up. It is what a man pulls, not what pulls a man. So it bows and lifts and takes no blame from people.

Therefore the rites and rightness and laws and measures of the Three August Ones and the Five Emperors were not prized for being the same but for bringing order. So if a man compares the rites and rightness and laws and measures of the Three August Ones and the Five Emperors, they are like the haw and the pear, the orange and the pomelo. Their tastes are opposite to one another, yet all of them suit the mouth.

21Rites and laws change with the times, the frown of Xi Shi

故禮義法度者,應時而變者也。今取猨狙而衣以周公之服,彼必齕齧挽裂,盡去而後慊。觀古今之異,猶猨狙之異乎周公也。故西施病心而矉其里,其里之醜人見之而美之,歸亦捧心而矉其里。其里之富人見之,堅閉門而不出,貧人見之,挈妻子而去走。彼知矉美而不知矉之所以美。惜乎,而夫子其窮哉!」

So rites and rightness and laws and measures are things that change in answer to the times.

Take a monkey now and dress it in the robes of the Duke of Zhou, and it will surely bite and tear and pull them apart, and will not be content until it is rid of them all. Look at the difference between the past and the present, and it is like the difference between a monkey and the Duke of Zhou.

So when Xi Shi had a pain in her heart and frowned at her village, an ugly woman of that village saw her and thought it beautiful, and went home and clutched her own heart and frowned at her village. The rich of that village saw her and shut their gates fast and would not come out. The poor saw her and took their wives and children and ran away. That woman knew the frown was beautiful, but she did not know why the frown was beautiful.

What a pity. Your master will come to hardship."

22At fifty one he had not heard the Way

孔子行年五十有一而不聞道,乃南之沛見老聃。

Confucius had lived fifty one years and had not heard the Way, and so he went south to Pei to see Lao Dan.

23Have you too got the Way

老聃曰:「子來乎?吾聞子,北方之賢者也!子亦得道乎?」孔子曰:「未得也。」

Lao Dan said, "So you have come. I have heard of you as a worthy man of the north. Have you too got the Way?" Confucius said, "I have not got it yet."

24Where did you seek it

老子曰:「子惡乎求之哉?」

Laozi said, "Where did you seek it?"

25I sought it in measures and numbers

曰:「吾求之於度數,五年而未得也。」

He said, "I sought it in measures and numbers for five years and did not get it."

26And where else did you seek it

老子曰:「子又惡乎求之哉?」

Laozi said, "And where else did you seek it?"

27I sought it in the yin and the yang

曰:「吾求之於陰陽,十有二年而未得也。」

He said, "I sought it in the yin and the yang for twelve years and did not get it."

28The Way cannot be presented and cannot be offered

老子曰:「然,使道而可獻,則人莫不獻之於其君;使道而可進,則人莫不進之於其親;使道而可以告人,則人莫不告其兄弟;使道而可以與人,則人莫不與其子孫。然而不可者,无佗也,中无主而不止,外无正而不行。由中出者,不受於外,聖人不出;由外入者,無主於中,聖人不隱。名,公器也,不可多取。仁義,先王之蘧廬也,止可以一宿而不可久處,覯而多責。

Laozi said, "Just so. If the Way could be presented, there is no one who would not present it to his ruler. If the Way could be offered, there is no one who would not offer it to his parents. If the Way could be told to others, there is no one who would not tell it to his brothers. If the Way could be given to others, there is no one who would not give it to his children and grandchildren.

That it cannot be done has no other reason. If there is no master within, the Way does not stay. If there is no straightness without, it does not go forward. When what comes out from within is not received without, the sage does not send it out. When what comes in from without has no master within, the sage does not keep it hidden.

A name is a vessel held in common and must not be taken too much of. Benevolence and rightness are the lodging house of the former kings. A man may stay one night there but must not dwell long. To be seen there long brings much reproach.

29The roaming that gathers what is true

古之至人,假道於仁,託宿於義,以遊逍遙之虛,食於苟簡之田,立於不貸之圃。逍遙,无為也;苟簡,易養也;不貸,无出也。古者謂是采真之遊。

The utmost men of old borrowed a road through benevolence and lodged a night in rightness, and so roamed in the open country of free wandering, ate in the field of rough and simple fare, and stood in the garden that lends nothing out.

Free wandering is doing nothing. Rough and simple fare is easy to be nourished by. Lending nothing out is giving nothing away. The men of old called this the roaming that gathers what is true.

30Men punished by heaven

以富為是者,不能讓祿;以顯為是者,不能讓名。親權者,不能與人柄,操之則慄,舍之則悲,而一無所鑒,以闚其所不休者,是天之戮民也。怨恩取與諫教生殺,八者,正之器也,唯循大變无所湮者為能用之。故曰,正者,正也。其心以為不然者,天門弗開矣。」

A man who holds riches to be right cannot yield up a salary. A man who holds display to be right cannot yield up a name. A man who holds power dear cannot hand the handle of it to another. Grasping it, he trembles. Letting it go, he grieves. And he has nothing at all to look into himself by, but peers out at what never lets him rest. Such men are punished by heaven.

Resentment and kindness, taking and giving, remonstrance and teaching, sparing life and putting to death, these eight are the vessels of setting things straight. Only a man who follows the great changing and is blocked nowhere can use them.

Therefore it is said. To be straight is to set things straight. If a man's mind holds that it is not so, the gate of heaven will not open for him."

31Benevolence and rightness are chaff scattered into the eyes

孔子見老聃而語仁義。老聃曰:「夫播穅眯目,則天地四方易位矣;蚊虻噆膚,則通昔不寐矣。夫仁義憯然乃憤吾心,亂莫大焉。吾子使天下无失其朴,吾子亦放風而動,總德而立矣,又奚傑然若負建鼓而求亡子者邪?夫鵠不日浴而白,烏不日黔而黑。黑白之朴,不足以為辯;名譽之觀,不足以為廣。泉涸,魚相與處於陸,相呴以溼,相濡以沫,不若相忘於江湖!」

Confucius saw Lao Dan and spoke to him of benevolence and rightness.

Lao Dan said, "Scatter chaff and let it get into a man's eyes, and heaven and earth and the four directions change places. Let mosquitoes and gadflies bite his skin, and he will not sleep the whole night through.

Benevolence and rightness sting and throw my mind into disorder, and no disorder is greater than this. Do you wish the world not to lose its uncarved wood? Then you too should let the wind go and move with it, and gather virtue and stand in it. Why labor so hard, like a man carrying a great drum on his back to look for a runaway son?

The swan is white without washing every day, and the crow is black without being dyed every day. Black and white are the uncarved wood and are not worth telling apart. The show of name and praise is not worth calling broad.

When the spring dries up the fish are left together on dry land, blowing damp breath on one another and wetting one another with foam. But that is not so good as forgetting one another in the rivers and lakes."

32Confucius does not speak for three days

孔子見老聃歸,三日不談。弟子問曰:「夫子見老聃,亦將何規哉?」

Confucius came home from seeing Lao Dan and did not speak for three days. A disciple asked, "Master, you saw Lao Dan. With what did you counsel him?"

33Today I have seen a dragon

孔子曰:「吾乃今於是乎見龍!龍,合而成體,散而成章,乘雲氣而養乎陰陽。予口張而不能嗋。予又何規老聃哉?」

Confucius said, "Now at last I have seen a dragon. Gathered together, the dragon makes a body. Scattered, it makes a pattern. It rides the breath of the clouds and is nourished by the yin and the yang. My mouth fell open and I could not close it. What counsel could I give Lao Dan?"

34Zigong goes to see Lao Dan

子貢曰:「然則人固有尸居而龍見,雷聲而淵默,發動如天地者乎?賜亦可得而觀乎?」遂以孔子聲見老聃。

Zigong said, "Then is there truly a man who sits still as a corpse and appears as a dragon, who sounds like thunder and is silent as a deep pool, and who moves as heaven and earth move? May I too get to see him?" So he went to see Lao Dan in the name of Confucius.

35My years have run on and gone

老聃方將倨堂而應,微曰:「予年運而往矣,子將何以戒我乎?」

Lao Dan was sitting on the edge of the hall to receive him, and said in a low voice, "My years have run on and gone. With what will you counsel me?"

36The Three Kings and the Five Emperors governed differently

子貢曰:「夫三王五帝之治天下不同,其係聲名一也。而先生獨以為非聖人,如何哉?」

Zigong said, "The Three Kings and the Five Emperors did not govern the world in the same way, yet the name hung upon them is one. You alone hold that they were not sages. How can that be?"

37How do you say they were not the same

老聃曰:「小子少進!子何以謂不同?」

Lao Dan said, "Young man, come a little forward. How do you say they were not the same?"

38Yao handed it to Shun, and Shun to Yu

對曰:「堯授舜,舜授禹,禹用力而湯用兵,文王順紂而不敢逆,武王逆紂而不肯順,故曰不同。」

He answered, "Yao handed it to Shun, and Shun handed it to Yu. Yu used strength and Tang used arms. King Wen followed King Zhou of Shang and did not dare to go against him, and King Wu went against King Zhou of Shang and would not follow him. So I say they were not the same."

39The rule of the Three August Ones and the Five Emperors, called order yet no disorder was greater

老聃曰:「小子少進,余語汝三皇五帝之治天下。黃帝之治天下,使民心一,民有其親死不哭而民不非也。堯之治天下,使民心親。民有為其親殺其殺而民不非也。舜之治天下,使民心競,民孕婦十月生子,子生五月而能言,不至乎孩而始誰,則人始有夭矣。禹之治天下,使民心變,人有心而兵有順,殺盜非殺,人自為種而天下耳,是以天下大駭,儒墨皆起。其作始有倫,而今乎婦女,何言哉!余語汝,三皇五帝之治天下,名曰治之,而亂莫甚焉。三皇之知,上悖日月之明,下睽山川之精,中墮四時之施。其知憯於𧓽蠆之尾,鮮規之獸,莫得安其性命之情者,而猶自以為聖人,不可恥乎?其无恥也?」

Lao Dan said, "Young man, come a little forward. I will tell you how the Three August Ones and the Five Emperors governed the world.

When the Yellow Emperor governed the world, he made the minds of the people one. There were people who did not wail when their own parents died, and the people did not call it wrong.

When Yao governed the world, he made the minds of the people close to their own. There were people who cut back what should be cut back for the sake of their own parents, and the people did not call it wrong.

When Shun governed the world, he made the minds of the people contend. Women carried their children ten months and bore them, and the children spoke at five months, and before they were even infants they began to tell one person from another. Then people first began to die young.

When Yu governed the world, he made the minds of the people change. People had designs in their minds and arms had their following. Killing a robber was not called killing, and each man made a kind of his own and took the world for it. Because of this the world was greatly startled, and the Confucians and the Mohists all arose.

At their first making there was an order in them, but now they are like women of the house. What is there to say?

I will tell you. What the Three August Ones and the Five Emperors did in governing the world is called order, yet no disorder was ever greater. The knowledge of the Three August Ones went against the brightness of the sun and the moon above, turned its back on the essence of the hills and the streams below, and broke down the giving of the four seasons between. Their knowledge stung more sharply than a scorpion's tail, and even the smallest beasts could not rest in the truth of their nature and their life. And still they took themselves for sages. Is that not a thing to be ashamed of? Shameless indeed."

40Zigong stood ill at ease

子貢蹴蹴然立不安。

Zigong stood startled and ill at ease.

41He had worked at the six classics for a long time

孔子謂老聃曰:「丘治《詩》、《書》、《禮》、《樂》、《易》、《春秋》六經,自以為久矣,孰知其故矣,以奸者七十二君,論先王之道而明周召之迹,一君无所鉤用。甚矣夫!人之難說也,道之難明邪?」

Confucius said to Lao Dan, "I have worked at the six classics, the Odes and the Documents, the Rites and the Music, the Changes and the Spring and Autumn, and I thought it had been a long time and that I knew well the reasons in them. I went before seventy two rulers to discuss the Way of the former kings and to make clear the tracks of the Duke of Zhou and the Duke of Shao, and not one ruler drew anything from it to use. How hard it is to move people. Or is it that the Way is hard to make clear?"

42The six classics are the tracks left by the former kings

老子曰:「幸矣子之不遇治世之君也!夫六經,先王之陳迹也,豈其所以迹哉!今子之所言,猶迹也。夫迹,履之所出,而迹豈履哉!夫白鶂之相視,眸子不運而風化;蟲,雄鳴於上風,雌應於下風而風化;類自為雌雄,故風化。性不可易,命不可變,時不可止,道不可壅。苟得於道,无自而不可;失焉者,无自而可。」

Laozi said, "It is your good fortune that you did not meet a ruler who governs the age. The six classics are the old tracks of the former kings. How could they be what made the tracks?

What you speak of now is like tracks. Tracks are what shoes put down, and how could tracks be the shoes?

White waterbirds look at each other and conceive by the wind without moving their pupils. Among insects the male cries above the wind and the female answers below the wind, and they conceive by the wind. Within one kind there are of themselves male and female, and so they conceive by the wind.

Nature cannot be exchanged, fate cannot be altered, the times cannot be halted, the Way cannot be dammed. Truly get the Way and there is nowhere it will not do. Lose it and there is nowhere it will do."

43He comes again after three months

孔子不出三月,復見,曰:「丘得之矣。烏鵲孺,魚傅沫,細要者化,有弟而兄啼。久矣夫丘不與化為人!不與化為人,安能化人!」

Confucius did not go out for three months, and then saw him again and said, "I have got it. The crow and the magpie hatch their young. The fish attach their foam. The wasp with the slender waist changes another into itself. When a younger brother is born the elder one cries. For a long time I have not been a man who goes along with the changing. Not going along with the changing myself, how could I change others?"

44That will do, Qiu has got it

老子曰:「可,丘得之矣!」

Laozi said, "That will do. Qiu has got it."