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Xunzi (The Book of Master Xun) 荀子 · Xun Kuang · 3rd century BC · 43 passages · 4,260 Chinese characters · reading time 17.0 min

Xunzi (The Book of Master Xun) Rectifying Theses Where Mencius put the goodness of man's nature, Xunzi put its evil. Man's nature is born loving gain and full of envy and hate, and left as it is it falls to struggle and robbery and disorder — so only when teachers and law make him what he should be, and ritual and right lead him, is he governed. Goodness, he said, is not inborn but built up by effort. The first chapter, "An Exhortation to Learning," opens with "blue dye is taken from the indigo plant, yet it is bluer than indigo," and "A Discourse on Heaven" cuts Heaven loose from the affairs of men: "To make Heaven great and brood upon it, how does that compare with rearing it as a thing and cutting it to use?" "A Discourse on Ritual" traces where ritual came from to the contention of desire and goods, and "A Discourse on Music" strikes back at Mozi for condemning music. "The Rectification of Names" shows that names are not fixed by Heaven but agreed upon by men, and the one chapter "Working Songs" carries order and disorder on the tunes of laborers' songs. "The ruler is the boat, the common people are the water; the water bears the boat up, and the water overturns the boat" stands in "The Regulations of a King." Li Si and Han Fei both came out of his school.

世俗之為說者曰:「主道利周。」

Those who make sayings in the common world say, "The way of the ruler profits by being closed all round."

是不然。主者、民之唱也,上者、下之儀也。彼將聽唱而應,視儀而動;唱默則民無應也,儀隱則下無動也;不應不動,則上下無以相有也。若是,則與無上同也!不祥莫大焉。故上者、下之本也。上宣明,則下治辨矣;上端誠,則下愿愨矣;上公正,則下易直矣。治辨則易一,愿愨則易使,易直則易知。易一則彊,易使則功,易知則明,是治之所由生也。上周密,則下疑玄矣;上幽險,則下漸詐矣;上偏曲,則下比周矣。疑玄則難一,漸詐則難使,比周則難知。難一則不彊,難使則不功,難知則不明,是亂之所由作也。故主道利明不利幽,利宣不利周。故主道明則下安,主道幽則下危。故下安則貴上,下危則賤上。故上易知,則下親上矣;上難知,則下畏上矣。下親上則上安,下畏上則上危。故主道莫惡乎難知,莫危乎使下畏己。傳曰:「惡之者眾則危。」書曰:「克明明德。」詩曰:「明明在下。」故先王明之,豈特玄之耳哉!

This is not so. The ruler is the call the people answer; the one above is the bearing of those below. They will hear the call and answer, see the bearing and move. If the call is silent, the people have nothing to answer; if the bearing is hidden, those below have nothing to move by. If they neither answer nor move, those above and those below have no way to hold one another. If it is like this, it is the same as having no one above, and nothing is more unlucky than that.

So the one above is the root of those below. When the one above spreads light, those below are ordered and discerning. When the one above is upright and true, those below are careful and honest. When the one above is fair and straight, those below are easy and straight. Ordered and discerning, they are easily made one; careful and honest, they are easily employed; easy and straight, they are easily known. Easily made one, they are strong; easily employed, they achieve; easily known, they are clear. This is where order is born from.

When the one above is closed and tight, those below grow doubtful and dim. When the one above is dark and dangerous, those below grow deceitful little by little. When the one above is partial and crooked, those below band together in cliques. Doubtful and dim, they are hard to make one; deceitful, they are hard to employ; banded in cliques, they are hard to know. Hard to make one, they are not strong; hard to employ, they do not achieve; hard to know, they are not clear. This is where disorder rises from.

So the way of the ruler profits by being bright and does not profit by being dark; it profits by spreading open and does not profit by being closed all round. So when the way of the ruler is bright, those below are safe; when the way of the ruler is dark, those below are in danger. When those below are safe, they hold the one above dear; when those below are in danger, they hold the one above cheap. So when the one above is easy to know, those below draw close to him; when the one above is hard to know, those below fear him. When those below draw close to the one above, the one above is safe; when those below fear him, the one above is in danger.

So in the way of the ruler nothing is worse than being hard to know, and nothing is more dangerous than making those below fear him. A saying handed down goes, "When many hate a man, he is in danger." The Documents say, "He was able to make bright his bright virtue." The Odes say, "Bright and bright it is below." So the former kings made it bright. How should they have only made it dim?

世俗之為說者曰:「桀紂有天下,湯武篡而奪之。」

Those who make sayings in the common world say, "Jie and King Zhou (紂) held all under heaven, and King Tang and King Wu seized it from them."

是不然。以桀紂為常有天下之籍則然,親有天下之籍則不然,天下謂在桀紂則不然。

This is not so. To say that Jie and King Zhou always held the seat of all under heaven is so; to say that they held that seat in their own persons is not so; to say that all under heaven lay with Jie and King Zhou is not so.

古者天子千官,諸侯百官。以是千官也,令行於諸夏之國,謂之王。以是百官也,令行於境內,國雖不安,不至於廢易遂亡,謂之君。聖王之子也,有天下之後也,埶籍之所在也,天下之宗室也,然而不材不中,內則百姓疾之,外則諸侯叛之,近者境內不一,遙者諸侯不聽,令不行於境內,甚者諸侯侵削之,攻伐之。若是,則雖未亡,吾謂之無天下矣。聖王沒,有埶籍者罷不足以縣天下,天下無君;諸侯有能德明威積,海內之民莫不願得以為君師;然而暴國獨侈,安能誅之,必不傷害無罪之民,誅暴國之君,若誅獨夫。若是,則可謂能用天下矣。能用天下之謂王。湯武非取天下也,脩其道,行其義,興天下之同利,除天下之同害,而天下歸之也。桀紂非去天下也,反禹湯之德,亂禮義之分,禽獸之行,積其凶,全其惡,而天下去之也。天下歸之之謂王,天下去之之謂亡。故桀紂無天下,湯武不弒君,由此效之也。湯武者,民之父母也;桀紂者、民之怨賊也。今世俗之為說者,以桀紂為君,而以湯武為弒,然則是誅民之父母,而師民之怨賊也,不祥莫大焉。以天下之合為君,則天下未嘗合於桀紂也。然則以湯武為弒,則天下未嘗有說也,直墮之耳。

In old times the Son of Heaven had a thousand offices and the feudal lords a hundred offices. When with these thousand offices his commands were carried out in the central states, he was called a king. When with these hundred offices his commands were carried out within the borders, and the state, though not at peace, did not come to being cast down, changed, and at last lost, he was called a lord.

A man may be the son of a sage king, the heir of one who held all under heaven, the one in whom power and the seat rest, the head of the house of all under heaven, and yet be no timber for it and not fit. Then within, the hundred families hate him; without, the feudal lords turn away from him; near at hand what lies within the borders is not one; far off the feudal lords do not listen; his commands are not carried out within his borders; and at the worst the feudal lords encroach on him and pare him away and attack him. If it is like this, then though he is not yet lost, I say that he has no all under heaven.

When the sage king has died and the one who holds power and the seat is too poor a man to hang all under heaven upon, then all under heaven has no lord. If among the feudal lords there is one whose virtue is bright and whose awe is heaped up, so that among the people within the seas there is none who does not wish to get him for lord and teacher, and a cruel state alone runs to excess, how should he not cut it down? He will surely not harm the guiltless people; he cuts down the ruler of the cruel state as one cuts down a lone fellow. If it is like this, he may be said to be able to use all under heaven. To be able to use all under heaven is called being a king.

King Tang and King Wu did not take all under heaven. They cultivated their way and carried out their right, they raised up what was of common profit to all under heaven and took away what was of common harm to all under heaven, and all under heaven turned to them. Jie and King Zhou did not cast all under heaven away. They went against the virtue of King Yu and King Tang, threw the divisions of ritual and rightness into disorder, behaved as birds and beasts, heaped up their ill and made their wickedness whole, and all under heaven left them. When all under heaven turns to a man, it is called being a king; when all under heaven leaves a man, it is called being lost.

So Jie and King Zhou had no all under heaven, and King Tang and King Wu did not kill their lord: by this it is made clear. King Tang and King Wu were the father and mother of the people; Jie and King Zhou were the robbers the people hated. Now those who make sayings in the common world take Jie and King Zhou for lords and say that King Tang and King Wu killed them. Then this is to cut down the father and mother of the people and to take the robbers the people hated for teachers, and nothing is more unlucky than that.

If the joining of all under heaven makes a man lord, then all under heaven never joined with Jie and King Zhou. That being so, to call King Tang and King Wu killers is a saying all under heaven has never held; it only tears them down.

故天子唯其人。天下者,至重也,非至彊莫之能任;至大也,非至辨莫之能分;至眾也,非至明莫之能和。此三至者,非聖人莫之能盡。故非聖人莫之能王。聖人備道全美者也,是縣天下之權稱也。桀紂者、其志慮至險也,其志意至闇也,其行為至亂也;親者疏之,賢者賤之,生民怨之。禹湯之後也,而不得一人之與;刳比干,囚箕子,身死國亡,為天下之大僇,後世之言惡者必稽焉,是不容妻子之數也。故至賢疇四海,湯武是也;至罷不能容妻子,桀紂是也。今世俗之為說者,以桀紂為有天下,而臣湯武,豈不過甚矣哉!譬之,是猶傴巫跛匡大自以為有知也。

So only the right man can be Son of Heaven. All under heaven is the heaviest of things, and none but the strongest can bear it; it is the greatest of things, and none but the most discerning can divide it; it is the most numerous of things, and none but the brightest can bring it into harmony. These three utmost things none but a sage can fulfill. So none but a sage can be king. The sage is one whose way is complete and whose beauty is whole; he is the balance that weighs all under heaven.

As for Jie and King Zhou, their thoughts and reckonings were the most dangerous, their minds the most benighted, their deeds the most disordered. Those close to them kept away, the worthy held them cheap, the living people hated them. They were the heirs of Yu and Tang, and yet they could not get one man to stand with them. They cut open Bi Gan and shut Ji Zi up; they died and their states were lost, and they became the great laughingstock of all under heaven. When later ages speak of wickedness, they always look back to these two. This is the reckoning of men who could not hold even wife and child.

So the utmost in worth makes the four seas his field, and Tang and King Wu were such men; the utmost in poorness of parts cannot hold even wife and child, and Jie and King Zhou were such men. Now those who make sayings in the common world say that Jie and King Zhou held all under heaven and make subjects of Tang and King Wu. Is this not going far too far? To liken it, it is as if a hunchbacked shaman and a lame man thought themselves greatly knowing.

故可以有奪人國,不可以有奪人天下;可以有竊國,不可以有竊天下也。可以奪之者可以有國,而不可以有天下;竊可以得國,而不可以得天下。是何也?曰:國、小具也,可以小人有也,可以小道得也,可以小力持也;天下者、大具也,不可以小人有也,不可以小道得也,不可以小力持也。國者、小人可以有之,然而未必不亡也;天下者,至大也,非聖人莫之能有也。

So one may seize another man's state, but one may not seize another man's all under heaven; one may steal a state, but one may not steal all under heaven. He who is able to seize may hold a state, but he may not hold all under heaven; by stealing one may get a state, but one may not get all under heaven.

Why is this? I say: a state is a small vessel. A small man can hold it, a small way can get it, a small strength can keep it. All under heaven is a great vessel. A small man cannot hold it, a small way cannot get it, a small strength cannot keep it. A small man can hold a state, yet it is not certain that it will not be lost; all under heaven is the greatest of things, and none but a sage can hold it.

世俗之為說者曰:「治古無肉刑,而有象刑:墨黥,慅嬰,共、艾畢,剕、枲屨,殺、赭衣而不純。治古如是。」

Those who make sayings in the common world say, "In the ordered world of old there were no punishments that cut the flesh; there were punishments in likeness. Branding the brow was done with a black kerchief, cutting off the nose with a hat string of grass, castration with a knee cover of mugwort color, cutting off the feet with hemp sandals, and death with a red robe left without a border. The ordered world of old was like this."

是不然。以為治邪?則人固莫觸罪,非獨不用肉刑,亦不用象刑矣。以為人或觸罪矣,而直輕其刑,然則是殺人者不死,傷人者不刑也。罪至重而刑至輕,庸人不知惡矣,亂莫大焉。凡刑人之本,禁暴惡惡,且懲其未也。殺人者不死,而傷人者不刑,是謂惠暴而寬賊也,非惡惡也。故象刑殆非生於治古,並起於亂今也。

This is not so. If you hold that it was ordered, then no man touched a crime at all, and not only were punishments that cut the flesh not used, punishments in likeness were not used either.

If you hold that men did touch crime and only that their punishments were made light, then this means that one who kills a man does not die and one who wounds a man is not punished. When the crime is the heaviest and the punishment the lightest, the common run of men no longer know it for a wrong, and no disorder is greater than that.

The root of punishing men is to forbid cruelty, to hate wickedness, and to check what has not yet come. If one who kills a man does not die and one who wounds a man is not punished, this is called being kind to the cruel and lenient with robbers; it is not hating wickedness. So punishments in likeness were most likely not born in the ordered world of old; they rose together with the disorder of today.

治古不然。凡爵列、官職、賞慶、刑罰,皆報也,以類相從者也。一物失稱,亂之端也。夫德不稱位,能不稱官,賞不當功,罰不當罪,不祥莫大焉。昔者武王伐有商,誅紂,斷其首,縣之赤旆。夫征暴誅悍,治之盛也。殺人者死,傷人者刑,是百王之所同也,未有知其所由來者也。

The ordered world of old was not like this. Ranks of title, offices of state, praise and reward, punishment and penalty are all repayments; they follow one another by kind. Let one thing lose its match, and it is the beginning of disorder. When virtue does not match the place, ability does not match the office, reward does not fit the merit, and penalty does not fit the crime, nothing is more unlucky than that.

Long ago King Wu attacked Shang, cut down King Zhou, severed his head, and hung it from a red banner. To march on the cruel and cut down the violent is government at its fullest. That one who kills a man dies and one who wounds a man is punished is what the hundred kings held in common, and there is no one who knows where it came from.

刑稱罪,則治;不稱罪,則亂。故治則刑重,亂則刑輕,犯治之罪固重,犯亂之罪固輕也。書曰:「刑罰世輕世重。」此之謂也。

When the punishment matches the crime there is order; when it does not match the crime there is disorder. So where there is order the punishments are heavy, and where there is disorder the punishments are light, for a crime committed in an ordered world is heavy of itself and a crime committed in a disordered world is light of itself. The Documents say, "Punishments are light in one age and heavy in another." This is what is meant.

世俗之為說者曰:「湯武不善禁令。」曰:「是何也?」曰:「楚越不受制。」

Those who make sayings in the common world say, "King Tang and King Wu were not good at forbidding and commanding." "Why is this?" "Because Chu and Yue did not accept their measures."

是不然。湯武者、至天下之善禁令者也。湯居亳,武王居鄗,皆百里之地也,天下為一,諸侯為臣,通達之屬,莫不振動從服以化順之,曷為楚越獨不受制也!

This is not so. King Tang and King Wu were the best in all under heaven at forbidding and commanding. King Tang dwelt at Bo and King Wu dwelt at Hao, each a land of a hundred li, and all under heaven became one, the feudal lords became their subjects, and of all that could be reached there was none that did not shake and stir, follow and submit, and be changed into obedience. How should Chu and Yue alone not have accepted their measures?

彼王者之制也,視形埶而制械用,稱遠邇而等貢獻,豈必齊哉!故魯人以榶,衛人用柯,齊人用一革,土地刑制不同者,械用、備飾不可不異也。故諸夏之國同服同儀,蠻、夷、戎、狄之國同服不同制。封內甸服,封外侯服,侯衛賓服,蠻夷要服,戎狄荒服。甸服者祭,侯服者祀,賓服者享,要服者貢,荒服者終王。日祭、月祀、時享、歲貢、終王,夫是之謂視形埶而制械用,稱遠近而等貢獻;是王者之制也。

The measures of a king are these: he looks at the shape and the lie of the land and settles what gear and goods it uses, he matches far and near and grades what is brought in tribute. How should these be the same everywhere? So the men of Lu use tang (榶), the men of Wey use ke (柯), and the men of Qi use a single hide. Where land and shape and measure are not the same, the gear and goods and trappings cannot but differ.

So the central states wear the same dress and keep the same bearing, while the states of the Man, the Yi, the Rong, and the Di wear the same dress but do not keep the same measures. Within the enfeoffed land is the dian service (甸服); beyond the enfeoffed land is the hou service (侯服); the hou and the wei are the bin service (賓服); the Man and the Yi are the yao service (要服); the Rong and the Di are the huang service (荒服). Those of the dian service sacrifice daily, those of the hou service sacrifice monthly, those of the bin service bring offerings each season, those of the yao service bring tribute each year, and those of the huang service come once when a king is changed. Daily sacrifice, monthly sacrifice, seasonal offering, yearly tribute, and coming when a king is changed: this is what is meant by looking at the shape and the lie of the land to settle what gear and goods it uses, and matching far and near to grade what is brought in tribute. These are the measures of a king.

彼楚越者,且時享、歲貢,終王之屬也,必齊之日祭月祀之屬,然後曰受制邪?是規磨之說也。溝中之瘠也,則未足與及王者之制也。語曰:「淺不足與測深,愚不足與謀智,坎井之蛙,不可與語東海之樂。」此之謂也。

Now Chu and Yue belong among those who bring offerings each season, bring tribute each year, and come when a king is changed. Must they be made even with those who sacrifice daily and monthly before you will say that they have accepted his measures? This is a saying that would grind all things to one compass. A starveling in a ditch is not yet fit to be brought as far as the measures of a king. The saying goes, "With the shallow you cannot sound the deep, with the foolish you cannot plan what is wise, and with the frog of a pit well you cannot speak of the joy of the Eastern Sea." This is what is meant.

世俗之為說者曰:「堯舜擅讓。」

Those who make sayings in the common world say, "Yao and Shun yielded the throne at their own will."

是不然。天子者,埶位至尊,無敵於天下,夫有誰與讓矣?道德純備,智惠甚明,南面而聽天下,生民之屬莫不震動從服以化順之。天下無隱士,無遺善,同焉者是也,異焉者非也。夫有惡擅天下矣。

This is not so. The power and place of the Son of Heaven are the most honored, and he has no match in all under heaven. To whom, then, would he yield? His way and virtue are pure and complete, his wisdom and kindness are most bright. He faces south and gives ear to all under heaven, and among the living people there is none who does not shake and stir, follow and submit, and be changed into obedience. In all under heaven there is no hidden scholar and no goodness left out; those who agree with him are right and those who differ from him are wrong. How, then, should there be any yielding of all under heaven at one's own will?

曰:「死而擅之。」

They say, "He yielded it as he died."

是又不然。聖王在上,決德而定次,量能而授官,皆使民載其事而各得其宜。不能以義制利,不能以偽飾性,則兼以為民。聖王已沒,天下無聖,則固莫足以擅天下矣。天下有聖,而在後子者,則天下不離,朝不易位,國不更制,天下厭然,與鄉無以異也;以堯繼堯,夫又何變之有矣!聖不在後子而在三公,則天下如歸,猶復而振之矣。天下厭然,與鄉無以異也;以堯繼堯,夫又何變之有矣!唯其徙朝改制為難。故天子生則天下一隆,致順而治,論德而定次,死則能任天下者必有之矣。夫禮義之分盡矣,擅讓惡用矣哉!

This again is not so. When a sage king is above, he judges virtue and settles the ranks, he measures ability and gives out the offices, so that all the people carry their own task and each gets what is fitting for him. Those who cannot measure profit by right and cannot dress their nature by deliberate effort he makes into common people alike.

When the sage king has died and there is no sage in all under heaven, then of course no one is fit to hand all under heaven over at his own will. If there is a sage in all under heaven and he is the son who comes after, then all under heaven does not fall away, the court does not change places, the state does not alter its measures, and all under heaven rests easy, with nothing to mark it off from the day before. It is Yao following upon Yao. What change is there in that?

If the sage is not the son who comes after but one of the three dukes, then all under heaven goes to him as if coming home; it is only turned back and shaken into place again. All under heaven rests easy, with nothing to mark it off from the day before. It is Yao following upon Yao. What change is there in that? Only the moving of the court and the altering of the measures is hard.

So while the Son of Heaven lives, all under heaven raises up one man, brings obedience to its full and is ordered, and ranks are settled by the weighing of virtue; and when he dies, there is surely someone able to take all under heaven upon him. The divisions of ritual and rightness are then complete. What use is there in yielding at one's own will?

曰:「老衰而擅。」

They say, "He was old and worn out, and so he yielded it."

是又不然。血氣筋力則有衰,若夫智慮取舍則無衰。

This again is not so. Blood and breath, sinew and strength do wear out; but wisdom and reckoning, taking and leaving, do not wear out.

曰:「老者不堪其勞而休也。」

They say, "The old man could not bear the toil of it, and so he rested."

是又畏事者之議也。天子者埶至重而形至佚,心至愉而志無所詘,而形不為勞,尊無上矣。衣被則服五采,雜間色,重文繡,加飾之以珠玉;食飲則重大牢而備珍怪,期臭味,曼而饋,伐皋而食,雍而徹乎五祀,執薦者百餘人,侍西房;居則設張容,負依而坐,諸侯趨走乎堂下;出戶而巫覡有事,出門而宗祝有事,乘大路趨越席以養安,側載睪芷以養鼻,前有錯衡以養目,和鸞之聲,步中武象,趨中韶護以養耳,三公奉軶、持納,諸侯持輪、挾輿、先馬,大侯編後,大夫次之,小侯元士次之,庶士介而夾道,庶人隱竄,莫敢視望。居如大神,動如天帝。持老養衰,猶有善於是者與?不老者、休也,休猶有安樂恬愉如是者乎?故曰:諸侯有老,天子無老。

This again is the talk of one who fears the work. The power of the Son of Heaven is the heaviest and his body the most at ease; his heart is the most glad and his will bends to nothing; his body does no toil and his honor has nothing above it.

For dress he wears the five colors, blends the in-between colors, doubles figure and embroidery, and adds ornaments of pearl and jade. For food and drink he doubles the great sacrificial beasts and sets out rare things, matching smell and taste; the dishes are brought slowly, a drum is struck for him to eat, music in harmony takes them away and offers them at the five sacrifices. More than a hundred men hold the offerings and wait upon him in the western chamber.

Where he stays, the curtains are spread and he sits with a screen at his back, and the feudal lords hasten below the hall. When he goes out of the door, the shamans, women and men, have their office; when he goes out of the gate, the invocators of the ancestral temple have their office. He rides the great carriage and treads a rush mat to nourish his ease, at his side is borne sweet grass to nourish his nose, before him is the figured yoke bar to nourish his eyes, and the sound of the bells, keeping to the Wu and the Xiang when he walks and to the Shao and the Hu when he hastens, nourishes his ears.

The three dukes bear up the yoke and hold the reins, the feudal lords hold the wheels and flank the carriage and go before the horses, the great lords are ranged behind, the high officers come next, the lesser lords and the senior officers next to these, the common officers go in armor along both sides of the road, and the common people hide themselves away and dare not look up. At rest he is like a great spirit; in motion he is like the Lord of Heaven.

For holding old age and nourishing what is worn out, is there anything better than this? If a man who is not old rests, is there in his rest such ease and gladness and calm as this? So it is said: the feudal lords have old age, but the Son of Heaven has no old age.

有擅國,無擅天下,古今一也。夫曰堯舜擅讓,是虛言也,是淺者之傳,陋者之說也,不知逆順之理,小大、至不至之變者也,未可與及天下之大理者也。

There is giving up a state at one's own will; there is no giving up all under heaven at one's own will. In this old times and today are one. To say that Yao and Shun yielded the throne at their own will is an empty word. It is what shallow men have handed down and what narrow men say. They do not know the pattern of going against and going along, nor the changes of small and great, of reaching and not reaching; they are not yet fit to be brought as far as the great pattern of all under heaven.

世俗之為說者曰:「堯舜不能教化。」是何也?曰:「朱象不化。」

Those who make sayings in the common world say, "Yao and Shun could not teach and change men." "Why is this?" "Because Danzhu and Xiang were not changed."

是不然也:堯舜至天下之善教化者也。南面而聽天下,生民之屬莫不振動從服以化順之。然而朱象獨不化,是非堯舜之過,朱象之罪也。堯舜者、天下之英也;朱象者、天下之嵬,一時之瑣也。今世俗之為說者,不怪朱象,而非堯舜,豈不過甚矣哉!夫是之謂嵬說。羿蜂門者、天下之善射者也,不能以撥弓曲矢中微;王梁造父者、天下之善馭者也,不能以辟馬毀輿致遠。堯舜者、天下之善教化者也,不能使嵬瑣化。何世而無嵬?何時而無瑣?自太皞燧人莫不有也。故作者不祥,學者受其殃,非者有慶。詩曰:「下民之孽,匪降自天。噂沓背憎,職競由人。」此之謂也。

This is not so. Yao and Shun were the best in all under heaven at teaching and changing men. They faced south and gave ear to all under heaven, and among the living people there was none who did not shake and stir, follow and submit, and be changed into obedience. Yet Danzhu and Xiang alone were not changed. This was not the fault of Yao and Shun; it was the crime of Danzhu and Xiang.

Yao and Shun were the flower of all under heaven; Danzhu and Xiang were the strange ones of all under heaven, the petty ones of one age. Now those who make sayings in the common world do not find Danzhu and Xiang strange, but hold Yao and Shun to be wrong. Is this not going far too far? This is what is called a strange saying.

Yi and Fengmen were the best archers in all under heaven, but with a warped bow and crooked arrows they could not hit the smallest mark. Wang Liang and Zaofu were the best drivers in all under heaven, but with limping horses and a broken carriage they could not come far. Yao and Shun were the best in all under heaven at teaching and changing men, but they could not change the strange and the petty.

What age has been without its strange ones? What time has been without its petty ones? From Taihao and Suiren on there has been no age without them. So he who makes such a saying is unlucky, he who learns it takes the harm of it, and he who calls it wrong has praise. The Odes say, "The woes of the people below are not sent down from heaven. Chattering to the face and hating behind the back, the striving comes only from men." This is what is meant.

世俗之為說者曰:「太古薄葬,棺厚三寸,衣衾三領,葬田不妨田,故不掘也;亂今厚葬飾棺,故抇也。」

Those who make sayings in the common world say, "In highest antiquity burial was thin. The coffin was three inches thick, the clothes and coverlets were three sets, and the grave land did not get in the way of the fields, and so graves were not dug up. In the disorder of today burial is thick and the coffin is adorned, and so they are dug up."

是不及知治道,而不察於抇不抇者之所言也。凡人之盜也,必以有為,不以備不足,則以重有餘也。而聖王之生民也,皆使富厚優猶知足,而不得以有餘過度。故盜不竊,賊不刺,狗豕吐菽粟,而農賈皆能以貨財讓。風俗之美,男女自不取於涂,而百姓羞拾遺。故孔子曰:「天下有道,盜其先變乎!」雖珠玉滿體,文繡充棺,黃金充槨,加之以丹矸,重之以曾青,犀象以為樹,琅玕、龍茲、華覲以為實,人猶莫之抇也。是何故也?則求利之詭緩,而犯分之羞大也。

This is the word of one who does not know the way of government and has not looked into why graves are dug up or not dug up.

When a man steals, it is always for something: if not to make up what he lacks, then to add to what he already has in plenty. But when a sage king gave the people their living, he made them all rich and well provided and easy enough to know contentment, and did not let them go past measure with what was left over. So thieves did not steal and robbers did not stab, dogs and pigs spat out beans and grain, and farmers and merchants alike could yield goods and wealth to one another. So beautiful were the manners of the time that men and women of themselves took up nothing from the road, and the hundred families were ashamed to pick up what was dropped.

So Confucius said, "When all under heaven has the way, the thief will be the first to change." Though pearls and jade filled the body, figure and embroidery filled the coffin, gold filled the outer coffin, cinnabar was added and azurite laid on, rhinoceros horn and ivory were made into trees, and langgan (琅玕), longzi (龍茲), and huajin (華覲) were made into their fruit, still no one would dig them up. Why is this? Because the seeking of profit is crooked and slack in them, and the shame of breaking the divisions is great.

夫亂今然後反是。上以無法使,下以無度行;知者不得慮,能者不得治,賢者不得使。若是,則上失天性,下失地利,中失人和。故百事廢,財物詘,而禍亂起。王公則病不足於上,庶人則凍餧羸瘠於下。於是焉桀紂群居,而盜賊擊奪以危上矣。安禽獸行,虎狼貪,故脯巨人而炙嬰兒矣。若是則有何尤抇人之墓,抉人之口而求利矣哉!雖此裸而薶之,猶且必抇也,安得葬薶哉!彼乃將食其肉而齕其骨也。

In the disorder of today it is the other way about. Those above employ men without law, those below act without measure. The wise do not get to plan, the able do not get to govern, the worthy do not get to be employed.

If it is like this, then above they lose the nature of heaven, below they lose the profit of earth, and between they lose the harmony of men. So the hundred works are laid aside, goods and wealth are cramped, and calamity and disorder rise. Kings and dukes suffer from not having enough above, and the common people freeze and starve and waste away below.

At such a time men live in herds like Jie and King Zhou, and thieves and robbers strike and seize and put those above in danger. They are at ease in the ways of birds and beasts, greedy as tigers and wolves, and so they cure the flesh of grown men and roast infants. If it is like this, what blame is there in digging up a man's grave and prying open a man's mouth in the search for profit? Though you stripped a body bare and buried it, still it would surely be dug up. How could there be any burying at all? Such men will eat the flesh and gnaw the bones.

夫曰:太古薄葬,故不抇也;亂今厚葬,故抇也。是特姦人之誤於亂說,以欺愚者而淖陷之,以偷取利焉。夫是之謂大姦。傳曰:「危人而自安,害人而自利。」此之謂也。

To say that in highest antiquity burial was thin and so graves were not dug up, and that in the disorder of today burial is thick and so they are dug up, is only a crooked man led astray by disordered sayings, who deceives the foolish, sinks them in the mire, and snatches a profit for himself. This is what is called great crookedness. A saying handed down goes, "He endangers others and makes himself safe, he harms others and makes himself rich." This is what is meant.

子宋子曰:「明見侮之不辱,使人不鬥。人皆以見侮為辱,故鬥於也;知見侮之為不辱,則不鬥矣。」

Zi Songzi said, "Make it clear that to be insulted is no disgrace, and men will not fight. All men take being insulted for a disgrace, and so they fight; if they knew that being insulted is no disgrace, they would not fight."

應之曰:然則以人之情為不惡侮乎?

The answer to this is, "Then do you hold that it is not in the feelings of men to hate an insult?"

曰:「惡而不辱也。」

He says, "They hate it, but they are not disgraced by it."

曰:若是,則必不得所求焉。凡人之鬥也,必以其惡之為說,非以其辱之為故也。今俳優、侏儒、狎徒詈侮而不鬥者,是豈鉅知見侮之為不辱哉。然而不鬥者,不惡故也。今人或入其央瀆,竊其豬彘,則援劍戟而逐之,不避死傷。是豈以喪豬為辱也哉!然而不憚鬥者,惡之故也。雖以見侮為辱也,不惡則不鬥;雖知見侮為不辱,惡之則必鬥。然則鬥與不鬥邪,亡於辱之與不辱也,乃在於惡之與不惡也。夫今子宋子不能解人之惡侮,而務說人以勿辱也,豈不過甚矣哉!金舌弊口,猶將無益也。不知其無益,則不知;知其無益也,直以欺人,則不仁。不仁不知,辱莫大焉。將以為有益於人,則與無益於人也,則得大辱而退耳!說莫病是矣。

I say, "If it is like this, you will surely not get what you are after. When men fight, they always make their hatred the reason for it; they do not make their disgrace the cause.

Now players and dwarfs and jesters are railed at and insulted and do not fight. Is this because they greatly know that being insulted is no disgrace? They do not fight because they do not hate it.

Now if a man goes into another's ditch and steals his pig, the other takes up sword and halberd and chases him and does not shrink from death or wounds. Is this because he takes the loss of a pig for a disgrace? He does not shrink from the fight because he hates it.

Though a man takes being insulted for a disgrace, he will not fight if he does not hate it; though he knows that being insulted is no disgrace, he will surely fight if he hates it. Then whether men fight or do not fight lies not in disgrace and no disgrace, but in hating and not hating.

Now Zi Songzi cannot loosen men from their hatred of insult, and works at coaxing them not to feel disgraced. Is this not going far too far? Though his tongue were of metal and his mouth worn out, it would still do no good.

If he does not know that it does no good, he is not wise; if he knows that it does no good and only deceives men, he is not benevolent. To be neither benevolent nor wise, no disgrace is greater than that. He meant to do men good, and he does men no good; he will only get a great disgrace and withdraw. Of sayings there is none more diseased than this."

子宋子曰:「見侮不辱。」

Zi Songzi said, "To be insulted is no disgrace."

應之曰:凡議必先立隆正,然後可也。無隆正則是非不分,而辨訟不決,故所聞曰:「天下之大隆,是非之封界,分職名象之所起,王制是也。」故凡言議期命是非,以聖王為師。而聖王之分,榮辱是也。

The answer to this is: every argument must first set up the high standard, and only then will it do. Without the high standard right and wrong are not divided, and disputing and contending come to no end.

So what I have heard goes, "The great height of all under heaven, the boundary wall of right and wrong, the place where divisions and duties and names and forms arise, is the measure of the king." So in all speaking and arguing, in fixing right and wrong and giving them their names, take the sage kings for teachers. And the divisions of the sage kings are these: glory and disgrace.

是有兩端矣。有義榮者,有埶榮者;有義辱者,有埶辱者。志意脩,德行厚,知慮明,是榮之由中出者也,夫是之謂義榮。爵列尊,貢祿厚,形埶勝,上為天子諸侯,下為卿相士大夫,是榮之從外至者也,夫是之謂埶榮。流淫汙僈,犯分亂理,驕暴貪利,是辱之由中出者也,夫是之謂義辱。詈侮捽搏,捶笞臏腳,斬斷枯磔,藉靡后縛,是辱之由外至者也,夫是之謂埶辱。是榮辱之兩端也。

Here there are two ends. There is the glory of right and the glory of power; there is the disgrace of right and the disgrace of power.

When the will is cultivated, virtue and conduct are thick, and knowing and reckoning are bright, this is glory coming out from within, and this is what is called the glory of right. When the rank of title is honored, the tribute and stipend are thick, and the power of one's station prevails, so that above one becomes Son of Heaven or feudal lord and below a minister, a counselor, or a great officer, this is glory arriving from without, and this is what is called the glory of power.

To run loose and be foul and idle, to break the divisions and throw the pattern into disorder, to be proud and cruel and greedy for profit, this is disgrace coming out from within, and this is what is called the disgrace of right. To be railed at and insulted, seized and beaten, whipped and caned, to have the kneecap taken and the leg cut off, to be cut down and severed and torn apart and hung up, to be bound with ropes and tied behind the back, this is disgrace arriving from without, and this is what is called the disgrace of power. These are the two ends of glory and disgrace.

故君子可以有埶辱,而不可以有義辱;小人可以有埶榮,而不可以有義榮。有埶辱無害為堯,有埶榮無害為桀。義榮埶榮,唯君子然後兼有之;義辱埶辱,唯小人然後兼有之。是榮辱之分也。聖王以為法,士大夫以為道,官人以為守,百姓以成俗,萬世不能易也。

So the gentleman may have the disgrace of power but may not have the disgrace of right; the small man may have the glory of power but may not have the glory of right. Having the disgrace of power does no harm to being a Yao; having the glory of power does no harm to being a Jie.

The glory of right and the glory of power are held together only by the gentleman; the disgrace of right and the disgrace of power are held together only by the small man. These are the divisions of glory and disgrace. The sage kings made them their law, the high officers make them their way, the officers of state make them their charge, and the hundred families make their manners of them; ten thousand ages cannot alter them.

今子宋子則不然,獨詘容為己,慮一朝而改之,說必不行矣。譬之,是猶以塼涂塞江海也,以焦僥而戴太山也,蹎跌碎折,不待頃矣。二三子之善於子宋子者,殆不若止之,將恐得傷其體也。

Now Zi Songzi is not like this. Alone he bends his own bearing to his own use and reckons to alter all this in a single morning; his saying will surely not be carried out. To liken it, this is like damming rivers and seas with brick and mud, like making a Jiaoyao carry Mount Tai on his head: he will stumble and fall and be crushed and broken, and it will not take a moment. Those few who are friends of Zi Songzi had better stop him, for it is to be feared that he will get his body hurt.

子宋子曰:「人之情,欲寡,而皆以己之情,為欲多,是過也。」故率其群徒,辨其談說,明其譬稱,將使人知情之欲寡也。

Zi Songzi said, "The feelings of men want little, and yet all men take their own feelings to want much. This is going too far." So he led his flock of followers, argued out his sayings, and made his likenesses and comparisons clear, meaning to make men know that the feelings want little.

應之曰:然則亦以人之情為目不欲綦色,耳不欲綦聲,口不欲綦味,鼻不欲綦臭,形不欲綦佚--此五綦者,亦以人之情為不欲乎?

The answer to this is, "Then do you hold as well that it is in the feelings of men that the eye does not want the utmost of colors, the ear does not want the utmost of sounds, the mouth does not want the utmost of tastes, the nose does not want the utmost of smells, and the body does not want the utmost of ease? Do you hold that the feelings of men do not want these five utmosts either?"

曰:「人之情,欲是已。」

He says, "The feelings of men want these, and nothing more."

曰:若是,則說必不行矣。以人之情為欲,此五綦者而不欲多,譬之,是猶以人之情為欲富貴而不欲貨也,好美而惡西施也。古之人為之不然。以人之情為欲多而不欲寡,故賞以富厚而罰以殺損也。是百王之所同也。故上賢祿天下,次賢祿一國,下賢祿田邑,愿愨之民完衣食。今子宋子以是之情為欲寡而不欲多也,然則先王以人之所不欲者賞,而以人之欲者罰邪?亂莫大焉。今子宋子嚴然而好說,聚人徒,立師學,成文典,然而說不免於以至治為至亂也,豈不過甚矣哉!

I say, "If it is like this, your saying will surely not be carried out. To hold that the feelings of men want these five utmosts and yet do not want much of them, to liken it, is like holding that the feelings of men want wealth and honor but do not want goods, or that they love beauty but hate Xi Shi.

The men of old did not do so. They held that the feelings of men want much and do not want little, and so they rewarded with wealth and thickness and punished by cutting down and taking away. This is what the hundred kings held in common. So the highest in worth had all under heaven for stipend, the next in worth had one state for stipend, the lowest in worth had fields and towns for stipend, and the careful and honest among the people had their clothing and food whole.

Now Zi Songzi says that the feelings of men want little and do not want much. Then did the former kings reward men with what men do not want and punish them with what men do want? No disorder is greater than that.

Now Zi Songzi keeps a grave face and loves to talk, he gathers a crowd of followers, sets up a teaching and a school, and makes writings and canons; and yet his saying cannot escape taking the utmost of order for the utmost of disorder. Is this not going far too far?"